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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:37 pm  Reply with quote
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Stereogum does these lists every so often where they list a bands output for "worst to first"...usually really well written...thought some of you might be interested...


http://www.stereogum.com/1733406/napalm-death-albums-from-worst-to-best-2/list/

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I have to admit I haven't listened to any Napalm Death record after "Mentally Murdered". Might have to change that.

I would take issue with them putting FETO above Scum. I'm listening to FETO now and I still find the echoing trebly production thin and unsatisfying. It's like they put all the instruments through a high-pass filter. Lee's vocals are easily the bassiest thing on it.
Scum is miles better, and not just because it has Justin & Nik on it.

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putting anything barney-napalm above scum makes me cringeful...but come on time waits for no slave as their best??? Shocked this guy has shitholes for ears. or just taking the piss.

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Harmony Corruption deserved higher, but its just a list.
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Shocking list that, but I like the idea. We should do them.
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The peel sessions could *almost* be better than scum and F.E.T.O. I'm still blown away by how good and energetic the peel sessions sound.

Yes, let's do a list for Godflesh now the new album has been out for a while and then bicker about where selfless should be placed roll
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Yeah,I rarely agree with the ranking on these lists but the write-ups are always good at least...some better than others...

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its seems overthought and plain wrong! Wink any criticism/doubts leveled against scum are heresy. are you startin?! and what lunacy is the passing comment that "selfless" is regarded as godflesh's best work?!? by mongs and twonks, maybe. hiding

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theredhog wrote:
Shocking list that, but I like the idea. We should do them.


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there is no way "harmony corruption" is their worst album. NO.FUCKIN.WAY.

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FETO is pretty good though

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This guy always knows..

There were Napalm Death albums after Hatred Surge/FETO/Scum??

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and what lunacy is the passing comment that "selfless" is regarded as godflesh's best work?!? by mongs and twonks, maybe. hiding


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fuck these lists. harmony corruption last? scum below utopia banished? mid 90s shit in the top 5? get out of here.
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I've also heard that this guy said that Danny is definitely better than MJ Harris because Danny is more punctual, which is key for a band playing black/death metal such as The Napalm Death.

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yourenotevil wrote:
fuck these lists. harmony corruption last? scum below utopia banished? mid 90s shit in the top 5? get out of here.


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avocado diaboli wrote:
yourenotevil wrote:
fuck these lists. harmony corruption last? scum below utopia banished? mid 90s shit in the top 5? get out of here.


TRVTH!


I've always had a soft spot for Fear Emptiness Despair...

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Actually I think "Fear, Emtiness..." is the weakest of the 90s albums. My fave has always been "Diatribe"

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lsind wrote:
avocado diaboli wrote:
yourenotevil wrote:
fuck these lists. harmony corruption last? scum below utopia banished? mid 90s shit in the top 5? get out of here.


TRVTH!


I've always had a soft spot for Fear Emptiness Despair...


yeah, i like that album actually. they just lost the way for the next 6 years or so though. writing 5 minute songs was not their strong suit at all. most of those mid 90s album have a few good tracks at most and then a bunch of filler. i will credit them for putting out two great back to back albums as of late though and their output the last 15 years has been pretty good.
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Albums and Year of Release (Discogs.com info):
Scum 87
FETO 88
Harmony Corruption 90
Utopia Banished 92
Fear, Emptiness, Despair 94
Diatribes 95
Inside the Torn Apart 97
Words from the Exit Wound 98
Enemy of the Music Business 00
Order of the Leech 02
The Code is Red...Long Live the Code 05
Smear Campaign 06
Time Waits for No Slave 09
Utilitarian 12
Apex Predator - Easy Meat 15


My WORST to FIRST [with some commentary]:
Words from the Exit Wound 98 [bleh]
Inside the Torn Apart 97 [just slightly less bad than Words]
Utopia Banished 92 [I dunno I always feel like this is a weaker record, I even have a goddamn T-shirt from it; Maybe someday...]
Enemy of the Music Business 00 [the reboot IMO]
Order of the Leech 02 [slightly better, some killer tracks, could be higher..]
Fear, Emptiness, Despair 94 [I think this is highly underrated]
Smear Campaign 06 [Solid, but my least favorite of the recent run]
The Code is Red...Long Live the Code 05 [solid]
Diatribes 95 [I know this seems really high, but I liked it lot, oddly]
Apex Predator - Easy Meat 15 [too new to accurately judge? but it's good]
Utilitarian 12 [one of the best of the new shite]
Time Waits for No Slave 09 [the ONE thing that guy got right, this IS a great record]

TOP THE CHARTS?
Harmony Corruption 90 [Honestly crushing & classic]
Scum 87 [GRIND!*]
FETO 88 [GRIND!*]

*I'll take the original CD comp of the first 2 peels sessions over Scum & FETO! it's brutal, tight & well produced, but not illegible.

I'm honestly surprised at myself how well the newer LPs faired over all, and while I love the first Terrorizer record, I seem to prefer the 4 man ND line-ups?
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Elricj wrote:
Albums and Year of Release (Discogs.com info):
Scum 87
FETO 88
Harmony Corruption 90
Utopia Banished 92
Fear, Emptiness, Despair 94
Diatribes 95
Inside the Torn Apart 97
Words from the Exit Wound 98
Enemy of the Music Business 00
Order of the Leech 02
The Code is Red...Long Live the Code 05
Smear Campaign 06
Time Waits for No Slave 09
Utilitarian 12
Apex Predator - Easy Meat 15


My WORST to FIRST [with some commentary]:
Words from the Exit Wound 98 [bleh]
Inside the Torn Apart 97 [just slightly less bad than Words]
Utopia Banished 92 [I dunno I always feel like this is a weaker record, I even have a goddamn T-shirt from it; Maybe someday...]
Enemy of the Music Business 00 [the reboot IMO]
Order of the Leech 02 [slightly better, some killer tracks, could be higher..]
Fear, Emptiness, Despair 94 [I think this is highly underrated]
Smear Campaign 06 [Solid, but my least favorite of the recent run]
The Code is Red...Long Live the Code 05 [solid]
Diatribes 95 [I know this seems really high, but I liked it lot, oddly]
Apex Predator - Easy Meat 15 [too new to accurately judge? but it's good]
Utilitarian 12 [one of the best of the new shite]
Time Waits for No Slave 09 [the ONE thing that guy got right, this IS a great record]

TOP THE CHARTS?
Harmony Corruption 90 [Honestly crushing & classic]
Scum 87 [GRIND!*]
FETO 88 [GRIND!*]

*I'll take the original CD comp of the first 2 peels sessions over Scum & FETO! it's brutal, tight & well produced, but not illegible.

I'm honestly surprised at myself how well the newer LPs faired over all, and while I love the first Terrorizer record, I seem to prefer the 4 man ND line-ups?



i'd probably be pretty close to you in agreement with most of this. i would put utopia higher though. it is not as good as harmony, but i like it a lot. will have to make an official list.
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I too found the original article somewhat enraging. I'm probably not really qualified to comment as I lost interest around the time Diatribes came out, and haven't really listened to anything later to any great degree so I'm only gonna comment on 95 and before, worst to first...

Diatribes - even this has its moments, and I remember thinking it was ok at the time, but somehow lacks the atmosphere and left-field experimentation of Fear Emptiness and adds some regrettable 'contemporary' influences which have not aged well.
Utopia banished - always find this somehow forgettable. I probably *should* like it more, but in the end it just washes over me.
Harmony Corruption - probably about equal with Utopia, but maybe edges it on the basis of being a bit more memorable.
Fear, Emptiness, Despair - I really, really think this is a great record, highly underrated and totally unique in their catalog. Obviously a different approach to Utopia, but so more interesting for it, and manages to sustain a dark atmosphere without seeming derivative, forced and dated unlike those which came later. Tragic that this is not higher rated IMO.
Scum - no further explanation required
Enslavement - likewise

...honorable mention to Mentally Murdered EP, which is how Harmony Corruption should have sounded and would probably be up there somewhere if it qualified, and the first 2 peel sessions which are just nuts...

On the subject of the newer albums, I generally give them a spin when they come out (at least since Spotify came along) and generally enjoy what I hear.... I really want to like them, but they tend to suffer from the same issues as Utopia Banished - ie they don't really grab me and I never go back. Perhaps I'm wrong, but my perception is that they offer varying combinations of what went before (on the albums listed above) rather than pushing the envelope in any dramatic way, and I find it hard to distinguish them.

It's probably totally unfair to dismiss 20 years of hard work in such an offhand way, and I should probably give them all another chance, but personally I'd like to see them shed the 'sound' they've evolved since they went 'back to grind' 15 years ago', look at what raw ingredients made the original band great in the first place, and then find a totally different angle from which to deliver them, even if it were for a single release. I'm encompassing playing / production / overall aesthetic in that.. for example, wouldn't it be great to hear them really stripped down and minus all the 'modern metal' production / mix of the last 20 years of albums...

I think 'Orgasmatron' by Motorhead is probably a good example... it's kinda the same shit only approached with a fresh pair of eyes and thus genuinely unique (for better or worse) amongst their canon. I dunno about the rest of you, but at this stage in their career, with the classics set in stone, I'd rather they rolled the dice a bit more, even if that means the odd dramatic misfire. 'Predictable' and 'Workmanlike' is not something I want to think about a band who trailblazed so much and whose early work (see above) evolved so quickly...

Arguably, Fear Emptiness did something like 20 years ago and I think it's a classic. Having said that, I've just realised this might sound like I'm arguing for another Greed Killing / Diatribes etc but that was an avenue they really shoulda stayed clear of...
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i saw them a few nights ago on the voivod tour. missed voivod but i was on the guestlist and arrived late, mainly because the sound at this venue is so damn awful and bands started so fucking early. the show show was done by 11pm or so on a thursday, just feels wrong. i hadn't seen them since 06 or so, but they were very good. they had a fill in for mitch, so it wasn't quite the same though. he was talented and did a good job for the tour though. only complaint is that they did like 15 or 16 real songs as a headliner, and they never really change up their set list. they have been doing the same one or two songs from harmony, utopia and fear forever. i am also over nazi punks fuck off. despite the small complaint, they still put on a good show.
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My worst to first:

17. Harmony Corruption (WORST)
16. Words from the Exit Wound
15. Inside the Torn Apart
14. Diatribes
13. Enenmy of the Music Business
12. The Code is Red, Long live the Code
11. Order of the Leech
10. Smear Campaign
9. Time Waits for No Slave
8. Utilitarian
7. Scum
6. Apex Predator - Easy Meat
5. Fear Emptiness Despair
4. Utopia Banished
3. From Enslavement to Obliteration
2. Peel Sessions
1. Mentally Murdered (GOD)


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falldown wrote:
My worst to first:

16. Harmony Corruption (WORST)
15. Words from the Exit Wound
14. Inside the Torn Apart
13. Diatribes
12. Enenmy of the Music Business
11. The Code is Red, Long live the Code
10. Order of the Leech
9. Smear Campaign
8. Time Waits for No Slave
7. Utilitarian
6. Scum
5. Apex Predator - Easy Meat
4. Fear Emptiness Despair
3. Utopia Banished
2. From Enslavement to Obliteration
1. Mentally Murdered (GOD)



i am confused about this. you think harmony is their worst, but utopia is one of your favorite albums? they are pretty similar imo.
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I definitely agree about Mentally Murdered.

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yourenotevil wrote:
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My worst to first:

16. Harmony Corruption (WORST)
15. Words from the Exit Wound
14. Inside the Torn Apart
13. Diatribes
12. Enenmy of the Music Business
11. The Code is Red, Long live the Code
10. Order of the Leech
9. Smear Campaign
8. Time Waits for No Slave
7. Utilitarian
6. Scum
5. Apex Predator - Easy Meat
4. Fear Emptiness Despair
3. Utopia Banished
2. From Enslavement to Obliteration
1. Mentally Murdered (GOD)



i am confused about this. you think harmony is their worst, but utopia is one of your favorite albums? they are pretty similar imo.


Really? Not similar at all. Harmony is a crap attemp at a death metal album... Utopia is definitely not... Vicious yet still catchy.

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I definitely agree about Mentally Murdered.


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falldown wrote:
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falldown wrote:
My worst to first:

16. Harmony Corruption (WORST)
15. Words from the Exit Wound
14. Inside the Torn Apart
13. Diatribes
12. Enenmy of the Music Business
11. The Code is Red, Long live the Code
10. Order of the Leech
9. Smear Campaign
8. Time Waits for No Slave
7. Utilitarian
6. Scum
5. Apex Predator - Easy Meat
4. Fear Emptiness Despair
3. Utopia Banished
2. From Enslavement to Obliteration
1. Mentally Murdered (GOD)



i am confused about this. you think harmony is their worst, but utopia is one of your favorite albums? they are pretty similar imo.


Really? Not similar at all. Harmony is a crap attemp at a death metal album... Utopia is definitely not... Vicious yet still catchy.


Harmony has some good stuff in it but is basically Napalm Death run by Scott Burns and his shitty flat as hell early 90s death metal production.. At least Utopia Banished brought back the grind and was the beginning of Napalm Death and Colin Richardson! I pretty much agree with Paul's list, but Id put Harmony above Diatribes and Words From The Exit Wound, and Id bump Scum up to #1 and just shift the rest down one. Napalm Death for me is a psychotic extreme punk band. Scum did that and then some.. The rest was Mick just trying to hang on to the coattails he rode in on.

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1. Their studio session which was recorded sometime late '88, has the SOB split tracks, some Scum re-recordings, and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc6TJn6E0v8
2. FETO. I think the interplay between Justin, Nik and Mick is the best on this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1boR6SN1cXM
3. Scum. First thing I've heard of them. Classic. The vocals are so unbelievable! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAqJynZWrQ8
4. Mentally Murdered. Some of the sickest solos I've ever heard coming from a guitar. Almost a Carcass record. (imho better than all by a hair's breadth)
5. Peel Sessions I-II. These drum sounds can really make an album you know.
6. The other FETO people usually refer to.
7. Hatred Surge (still pretty good, somewhat rendered obsolete by FETO)
8. Harmony
9. Smear Campaign. Was very excited about this when it came out. It made ND interesting again after all these years. When saw them live supporting this album they were shittier than I saw them during the Enemy tour. Just a bunch of safe old guys all professional with their fake hatred playing the role of the really aggressive square-punk bunch. No thanks. The album is still pretty good though. They should experiment more and be less angry. Angry is good but fake angry is worse than not angry. ..in my book..
10+. who cares. a few good tracks here and there though. (Mass Appeal, etc.)

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Monotremata wrote:
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falldown wrote:
My worst to first:

16. Harmony Corruption (WORST)
15. Words from the Exit Wound
14. Inside the Torn Apart
13. Diatribes
12. Enenmy of the Music Business
11. The Code is Red, Long live the Code
10. Order of the Leech
9. Smear Campaign
8. Time Waits for No Slave
7. Utilitarian
6. Scum
5. Apex Predator - Easy Meat
4. Fear Emptiness Despair
3. Utopia Banished
2. From Enslavement to Obliteration
1. Mentally Murdered (GOD)



i am confused about this. you think harmony is their worst, but utopia is one of your favorite albums? they are pretty similar imo.


Really? Not similar at all. Harmony is a crap attemp at a death metal album... Utopia is definitely not... Vicious yet still catchy.


Harmony has some good stuff in it but is basically Napalm Death run by Scott Burns and his shitty flat as hell early 90s death metal production.. At least Utopia Banished brought back the grind and was the beginning of Napalm Death and Colin Richardson! I pretty much agree with Paul's list, but Id put Harmony above Diatribes and Words From The Exit Wound, and Id bump Scum up to #1 and just shift the rest down one. Napalm Death for me is a psychotic extreme punk band. Scum did that and then some.. The rest was Mick just trying to hang on to the coattails he rode in on.



i love harmony corruption. i know mick hates the production on it(esp the drums), but i like how ND went floridian death metal. suffer the children is great. i don't think UB and HC are that far removed from each other. of course Utopia has more grind feel to it, but it is still very rooted in DM. to each their own, i just think it is a stretch to say it is the worst album, esp compared to inside torn and diatribes.
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Harmony has some good stuff in it but is basically Napalm Death run by Scott Burns and his shitty flat as hell early 90s death metal production..
THIS!!
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Weird. For me "Harmony" was the introduction to Napalm. I discovered them as a death metal band and only later discovered "Scum" and "From Enslavement". I always loved the album. I never got into "Utopia" though...

I get why "Harmony" is a bit of an odd Album in the discography but I still crushes most of the death metal albums of that era.

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Weird. For me "Harmony" was the introduction to Napalm.


Same here... and then I promptly went out and bought Scum and thought what's this noise and returned it the next day roll I bought the album again a few months later when I could appreciate the 'noise' a bit better sniggering
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"to each their own, i just think it is a stretch to say it is the worst album, esp compared to inside torn and diatribes."

I understand that you don't like that I said it is their worst album, but that doesn't make it a "stretch". I bought these albums as they came out, & I'm telling you how I rank them... It's clear that you really like the album, but that still doesn't mean that it's not their worst album.

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falldown wrote:
"to each their own, i just think it is a stretch to say it is the worst album, esp compared to inside torn and diatribes."

I understand that you don't like that I said it is their worst album, but that doesn't make it a "stretch". I bought these albums as they came out, & I'm telling you how I rank them... It's clear that you really like the album, but that still doesn't mean that it's not their worst album.



to you it's their worst album and you are def in the minority on that opinion, but i meant it was a stretch to rank that so low since you seem to hold UB in such a high regard yet rank HC as you have. you have the typical 3 albums most ND fans would list as their worst(the mid to late 90s era) and then HC as the last one. do you hate death metal or just not like that album?
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yourenotevil wrote:
falldown wrote:
"to each their own, i just think it is a stretch to say it is the worst album, esp compared to inside torn and diatribes."

I understand that you don't like that I said it is their worst album, but that doesn't make it a "stretch". I bought these albums as they came out, & I'm telling you how I rank them... It's clear that you really like the album, but that still doesn't mean that it's not their worst album.



to you it's their worst album and you are def in the minority on that opinion, but i meant it was a stretch to rank that so low since you seem to hold UB in such a high regard yet rank HC as you have. you have the typical 3 albums most ND fans would list as their worst(the mid to late 90s era) and then HC as the last one. do you hate death metal or just not like that album?


Maybe I'm in the minority among people you know, but I know several who feel the same as I..
Also, I do not agree with your comparison between HC & UB. They are completely different beasts to me.
I love death metal. I just don't like that album. It's a cheesy attempt at death metal by a non-death metal band.

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falldown wrote:
yourenotevil wrote:
falldown wrote:
"to each their own, i just think it is a stretch to say it is the worst album, esp compared to inside torn and diatribes."

I understand that you don't like that I said it is their worst album, but that doesn't make it a "stretch". I bought these albums as they came out, & I'm telling you how I rank them... It's clear that you really like the album, but that still doesn't mean that it's not their worst album.



to you it's their worst album and you are def in the minority on that opinion, but i meant it was a stretch to rank that so low since you seem to hold UB in such a high regard yet rank HC as you have. you have the typical 3 albums most ND fans would list as their worst(the mid to late 90s era) and then HC as the last one. do you hate death metal or just not like that album?


Maybe I'm in the minority among people you know, but I know several who feel the same as I..
Also, I do not agree with your comparison between HC & UB. They are completely different beasts to me.
I love death metal. I just don't like that album. It's a cheesy attempt at death metal by a non-death metal band.



in general, i feel like that album is among the top 5 for most napalm fans. when they did suffer the children when i saw them recently it got one of the best reactions of the night. and while i don't think UB and HC are completely similar, i don't think you can look at UB and say it has nothing carrying over from HC and their death metal influences. i also think ND has a lot of DM influence.
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yourenotevil wrote:
falldown wrote:
yourenotevil wrote:
falldown wrote:
"to each their own, i just think it is a stretch to say it is the worst album, esp compared to inside torn and diatribes."

I understand that you don't like that I said it is their worst album, but that doesn't make it a "stretch". I bought these albums as they came out, & I'm telling you how I rank them... It's clear that you really like the album, but that still doesn't mean that it's not their worst album.



to you it's their worst album and you are def in the minority on that opinion, but i meant it was a stretch to rank that so low since you seem to hold UB in such a high regard yet rank HC as you have. you have the typical 3 albums most ND fans would list as their worst(the mid to late 90s era) and then HC as the last one. do you hate death metal or just not like that album?




Maybe I'm in the minority among people you know, but I know several who feel the same as I..
Also, I do not agree with your comparison between HC & UB. They are completely different beasts to me.
I love death metal. I just don't like that album. It's a cheesy attempt at death metal by a non-death metal band.


in general, i feel like that album is among the top 5 for most napalm fans. when they did suffer the children when i saw them recently it got one of the best reactions of the night. and while i don't think UB and HC are completely similar, i don't think you can look at UB and say it has nothing carrying over from HC and their death metal influences. i also think ND has a lot of DM influence.


In general, I completely disagree with you. "For most Napalm fans..." How could you even make a statement like that?, haha.. Do you know most Napalm fans? I know a lot of ND fans who HATE HC. That is a crazy generalization you made..
As for "Suffer the Children", that song fucking blows. One of their worst. & the fact that the crowd was all nutso over it means nothing to me. That's like saying, when a song gets rammed down your throat on the radio & everyone likes it, it means its good. No way.
UB does what HC did not. & that is, it didn't suck. Sure ND have some death metal elements to them, but they are not a death metal band.

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falldown wrote:
yourenotevil wrote:
falldown wrote:
yourenotevil wrote:
falldown wrote:
"to each their own, i just think it is a stretch to say it is the worst album, esp compared to inside torn and diatribes."

I understand that you don't like that I said it is their worst album, but that doesn't make it a "stretch". I bought these albums as they came out, & I'm telling you how I rank them... It's clear that you really like the album, but that still doesn't mean that it's not their worst album.



to you it's their worst album and you are def in the minority on that opinion, but i meant it was a stretch to rank that so low since you seem to hold UB in such a high regard yet rank HC as you have. you have the typical 3 albums most ND fans would list as their worst(the mid to late 90s era) and then HC as the last one. do you hate death metal or just not like that album?




Maybe I'm in the minority among people you know, but I know several who feel the same as I..
Also, I do not agree with your comparison between HC & UB. They are completely different beasts to me.
I love death metal. I just don't like that album. It's a cheesy attempt at death metal by a non-death metal band.


in general, i feel like that album is among the top 5 for most napalm fans. when they did suffer the children when i saw them recently it got one of the best reactions of the night. and while i don't think UB and HC are completely similar, i don't think you can look at UB and say it has nothing carrying over from HC and their death metal influences. i also think ND has a lot of DM influence.


In general, I completely disagree with you. "For most Napalm fans..." How could you even make a statement like that?, haha.. Do you know most Napalm fans? I know a lot of ND fans who HATE HC. That is a crazy generalization you made..
As for "Suffer the Children", that song fucking blows. One of their worst. & the fact that the crowd was all nutso over it means nothing to me. That's like saying, when a song gets rammed down your throat on the radio & everyone likes it, it means its good. No way.
UB does what HC did not. & that is, it didn't suck. Sure ND have some death metal elements to them, but they are not a death metal band.


ah, you are one of those literal guys. of course i don't know most ND fans, but when i see people on the net or in real live talking about ND, they usually seem to like HC a lot. DM dudes who might not dig napalm from the early stuff seem to dig it too. there is a crappy ND fan page on facebook. ppl are usually posting tracks from HC and not UB. i don't think your radio analogy works. when a band plays a song and it gets one of the best reactions of the night, that usually means people dig it a lot. i actually heard a guy say at the show, "that's the last album i have from them" when they were about to play suffer. it's fine if you don't like it, but i think you are kind of assuming most people share your opinion about it. hey man, i wish they played more from UB live. i think they have only been playing abstain for the past 10 years or so or mavbe longer.
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